Frank Bunce: The Incredible All Blacks Stories He Never Told - Until Now
Episode Description
Frank Bunce is regarded as one of the great All Black Centres of all time. He first got selected when he was 30 and went on to play 55 tests, including a rugby world cup final.
At the time of recording this episode Frank was on TV in New Zealand on the reality show “Celebrity Treasure Island” so we discuss why, at the age of 64, he agreed to do it. Thanks to the team at TVNZ for helping set this conversation up.
I don’t think Buncey has ever spoken this openly or at this length ever before which makes this episode pretty special.
We talk about Franks journey from growing up in South Auckland with 7 siblings and working on the back of a rubbish truck to the world stage, representing both Samoa and the All Blacks and being part of the transformational shift from amateur rugby to the professional era.
There are some incredible rugby stories here- including his very special relationship with Jonah Lomu and Eric Rush and his love-hate relationship with coach Laurie Mains. But this episode goes far beyond sport.
Frank opens up about aging, identity, fatherhood, friendship, grief, retirement, and the emotional challenges that come when elite sport suddenly disappears.
This is a reflective and also very funny conversation with one of New Zealand sport’s great characters.
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Brief Summary
Frank Bunce reflects on his rugby career, coaching, friendships, and the challenges of life after sports.
Key points
- A Coach's Tough Love. A coach's harsh words reveal the intensity of their relationship.
- Reflections on Aging. The speaker humorously reflects on how others perceive their age.
- Life Goals and Contentment. The speaker shares their thoughts on happiness and contentment in life, expressing a desire to simply be okay.
- Memorable Rugby Moments. A nostalgic recount of rugby experiences and meeting stars like Brian Williams.
- All Black Dreams. The journey from doubt to opportunity for an All Black call-up.
- The Importance of Mindset. How mental preparation is key to success in rugby.
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Episode highlights
- A Coach's Tough LoveA coach's harsh words reveal the intensity of their relationship.“If I bought my gun today, I would have shot you, you cunt.”7:00May 9, 2026
- Reflections on AgingThe speaker humorously reflects on how others perceive their age.“You’re going the wrong way, Grandpa.”15:36May 9, 2026
- Life Goals and ContentmentThe speaker shares their thoughts on happiness and contentment in life, expressing a desire to simply be okay.“I just want to be okay. I just want to be happy, content.”25:59May 9, 2026
- Memorable Rugby MomentsA nostalgic recount of rugby experiences and meeting stars like Brian Williams.“He was a big star, right?”35:28May 9, 2026
- All Black DreamsThe journey from doubt to opportunity for an All Black call-up.“I thought, man, the ship had sailed.”52:11May 9, 2026
- The Importance of MindsetHow mental preparation is key to success in rugby.“The physical part of your preparation is the easy part.”57:56May 9, 2026
- The Toughness of RugbyReflecting on the physicality and intensity of rugby games in the past.“It was a tough game back then, though.”1:11:36May 9, 2026
- Reflections on the World Cup LossThe emotional aftermath of losing the World Cup and how long it took to recover.“Took a while to get over it properly.”1:17:31May 9, 2026





