EXCLUSIVE: Steve Hansen Lifts the Lid on Richie McCaw, Aaron Smith & World Cup Heartbreak
Episode Description
Sir Steve Hansen is one of the greatest All Black coaches of all time. He is a true legend of the game. The stats don’t lie:
107 test matches as head coach over 8 seasons
Only 10 losses, for a win record of 87%
World rugby coach of the year 4 times.
Two Halberg awards for NZ coach of the year.
In this exclusive and very rare podcast appearance from the man known as “Shag” he opens up about the moments he got it wrong, his thoughts on what makes a great leader, the art of difficult conversations, the time Keven Mealamu told him off, why he warned Richie McCaw he was going to cost the All Blacks the 2015 Rugby World Cup and plenty more rugby stuff.
We also talk about some deeply personal stuff, like his wife Tash’s cancer journey and how that changed his outlook on life.
This will possibly be a side of Sir Steve Hansen that you have never seen before.
Steve’s not just a coaching legend and an inspiring leader, he’s wise, humble, and very funny. I loved our time together and I hope you do too.
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0:00 The reason Steve Hansen quit the All Blacks - family time // husband time // unauthorised biography
15:00 Greatest strength is also the greatest weakness
18:00 Media training - Ian Fraser
25:00 Knighthood
27:00 2019 World Cup
30:30 Reflecting on the 2007 World Cup - “horrific”
31.15 Early years
47.50 Hilarious Justin Marshall story
52.30 The Aaron Smith Scandal
1:01:50 Kevin Mealamu calling out Steve Hansen
1:09:00 The toughest conversations Steve has had to have
1:21:00 How do you coach Richie McCaw?
1:26:00 Sonny Bill Williams - greatest Athlete?
Brief Summary
Sir Steve Hansen discusses coaching, personal growth, and the emotional impact of rugby losses.
Key points
- Coaching the All Blacks. Steve Hansen reflects on the privilege and sacrifices of coaching the iconic team.
- Reflecting on Media Relationships. Steve discusses his struggles with media relationships and the importance of honesty.
- Accepting a Nighthood. Steve shares the emotional journey of accepting a nighthood and its significance.
- Lessons in Empathy. Coaching taught me to be empathetic and understanding of people's stories.
- The Importance of Vulnerability. Realizing vulnerability in leadership is a strength, not a weakness.
- Learning from Mistakes. Mistakes can be valuable lessons if we learn from them. 'You learn more from your fails than your wins.'
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Episode highlights
- Coaching the All BlacksSteve Hansen reflects on the privilege and sacrifices of coaching the iconic team.“It's a privilege to be able to coach the All Blacks.”4:30Jul 13, 2025
- Reflecting on Media RelationshipsSteve discusses his struggles with media relationships and the importance of honesty.“I knew that the media and I weren’t getting on well.”21:13Jul 13, 2025
- Accepting a NighthoodSteve shares the emotional journey of accepting a nighthood and its significance.“It’s not just about accepting it for yourself.”26:55Jul 13, 2025
- Lessons in EmpathyCoaching taught me to be empathetic and understanding of people's stories.“Don't rock into something and not know the facts before you make big decisions.”40:17Jul 13, 2025
- The Importance of VulnerabilityRealizing vulnerability in leadership is a strength, not a weakness.“If you're vulnerable, you work out well okay they trust you more.”48:15Jul 13, 2025
- Learning from MistakesMistakes can be valuable lessons if we learn from them. 'You learn more from your fails than your wins.'“You learn more from your fails than your wins.”1:00:37Jul 13, 2025
- The Importance of Tough ConversationsHaving tough conversations is essential for growth, both personally and professionally. 'Tough conversations don’t have to be tough conversations.'“Tough conversations don’t have to be tough conversations.”1:09:04Jul 13, 2025
- The Challenge of TrustA coach advises a star player on the importance of trusting teammates.“Just do yours and trust the boys will do theirs.”1:24:51Jul 13, 2025





