Under Secretary of State Sarah B. Rogers on dismantling the "Censorship Industrial Complex"
- Jan 22, 2026
- 45:04
- Full Episode
(0:00) Jason and Sacks welcome Sarah B. Rogers! (2:22) Free speech, EU censorship, OSA/DSA overreach? (13:44) Censorship on mass migration policies, major fines against US companies, the DSA as a "censorship tariff" (22:59) AI deepfakes, giving freedom the benefit of the doubt, Biden-era censorship (34:42) Understanding the "Censorship Industrial Complex" in America
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Brief Summary
Sarah Rogers discusses public diplomacy and free speech tensions between the US and Europe at Davos.
Key points
- First Impressions at Davos. David and I share our initial thoughts on attending Davos for the first time.
- Understanding Public Diplomacy. Sarah Rogers explains her role as under secretary for public diplomacy at the State Department.
- The Tension of Free Speech. Discussion on the tension between American free speech and European regulations.
- Arrests Under Online Safety Act. Over 12,000 arrests in the UK under the online safety act raise concerns about free speech.
- Two-Tier Policing in the UK. Critics argue that UK laws disproportionately target free speech compared to other offenses.
- Censorship as a Tariff. The DSA is viewed as a censorship tariff affecting American tech companies in Europe.
Episode highlights
- Understanding Public DiplomacySarah Rogers explains her role as under secretary for public diplomacy at the State Department.“Public diplomacy addresses the relationship between the American government and foreign publics.”1:34Jan 22, 2026
- The Tension of Free SpeechDiscussion on the tension between American free speech and European regulations.“There’s a tension between our standards and the companies in America.”2:26Jan 22, 2026
- Arrests Under Online Safety ActOver 12,000 arrests in the UK under the online safety act raise concerns about free speech.“That was in 2023 alone?”10:05Jan 22, 2026
- Two-Tier Policing in the UKCritics argue that UK laws disproportionately target free speech compared to other offenses.“If you oppose mass migration, you are subject to a different justice system.”15:38Jan 22, 2026
- Censorship as a TariffThe DSA is viewed as a censorship tariff affecting American tech companies in Europe.“It's effectively like a tariff on American tech companies operating in Europe.”19:02Jan 22, 2026
- The Dangers of CensorshipCensorship protects those in power, insulating them from criticism.“Censorship is always to protect the people in power.”20:31Jan 22, 2026
- The Need for VigilanceWithout vigilance, free speech can be easily eroded.“If you're not vigilant about free speech, there are people who will take it away.”34:40Jan 22, 2026
- Censorship Industrial ComplexA discussion on the organizations instigating censorship and their influence on regulators.“It's a censorship industrial complex.”34:56Jan 22, 2026
